I have heard the story before but I heard it a different way. The way I heard it was that the bus stopped on the tracks and it wouldnt start also and the kids, teacher and bus driver push the car over the tracks and the names on the street signs in that area are the names of the kids who died.

i personally have been there and it is a weaird thing you put ure car in neutral and it would roal up the hill and over. i have also tried the baby powder and there were finger prints on the back of the crown victoria we were in, but it is said the finger prints are your own from the oils on ure hand. i dunno what happens but it seems to get more attention by the people of sanantonio every year.

umm i have gone there before and it was scary cause one of my friends got out and tried to push it then she saw a white figure come across the tracks but there were no sounds at all then we saw a white train with blood on the grill I had screemed my head off that night

i have never been there yet but im gonna be going this halloween after i go to nightmare on grayson if anyone wants to with me feel free to let me know .

well i have a cousin that acually went about 2 years ago and tried that thing with the car, and she told me that someone er sumthing was pushing her car while it was on neutral. She said that it was an odd feeling while she was there.

wouldn’t the powder blow off the back of the car,if it is put on B4 going to the site? Wouldn’t you sprinkle it when you got to the site?

this is not true that what i think

Well I was born and raised in San Antonio and that never happened! There is no “BUS CRASH” and there never was a bus crash. Texas archives have no record of that at all! And the names on the streets are the names of the kids (and some just random names) of the man that paid for renovating that part of historic San Antonios’ Missions.However, that railroad is “SOMETHING” maybe haunted by kids from that time of the missions but not because of a Railroad Accident!! Sorry Guys!

Hey i really want to go to this but i don’t know where it is can someone tell me where it is at. If i could get directions from UTSA i would appreciate it!

Well I lived in Texas and I know it to be true. My mother and I went to that road. Before we got close to it we placed baby powder on the bumper and we placed the car in neutral. (We made sure no one was behind us.) A few mintues later the car started to move. We got all the way across the trackes. We then stopped. My mother and I got out of the car and saw these tiny hands prints on the bumper and no one was around us.

you guys are so sick to believe something like that!!!!

yea i’ve heard this story so different all i know is that the street signs r named after them.I live in San Antonio me and a couple my cousins went we put r car in neutral and like 10 secs. it started moving and it went over the tracks and we all got out and saw little handprints so we got back in did it again this time we all got scared we but r car in neutral and we started moving again right when we were on the tracks we stoped and we were all scared and then 30 secs we started moving again. so it was fun but when the acciedent happend it was around the 1930’s or 1940’s my aunt said that it could of happend and they lost the record of it. but all I know it is true And this halloween i’m going again .

I don’t think that it’s true but I think that perception is reality. In your mind if you believe in something enough it’s going to happen. So by people believeing in all of this I think it’s true to them. Try going to an old plantation where there we slaves and slaves that had been killed I believe that their will be some voices.

we believe it cause its true sonya. duh, stupid

I know this is true because I was born and raised in San Antonio, and my parents told me how hapenned. It said to be that the bus that the kids were in they were crossing the railroads tracks, when the bus suddenly stop then the train crash into them. It said if you but the car in neutral the car moves up and down the railroads tracks, and in halloween at night you can see the train passing you just seee the light of the train.

well i leave in el paso texas and that same story is told here . if u take the car n-u put it in neutral they say the kids move ur car up the hill . n if u put baby powder ull -c- the kids handprints if been there alot of times n stuff like that has happened !!!!!!!!!! its just wierd how the same story is said in different places!!!!!!!!!

i have been there. it was really interesting, i plan to go again because i was about 6 when me and my family went. we did the whole powder on the back of the car and once the ghosts pushed us over there were little kid hand prints on the back. i dont believe the prints come from oils in your skin… we just washed the car and no one touched the back. if you like finding creepy haunted places, go to the tracks.

ok my cousin went and it is true the kids did push the car

I live in el paso tx and theres a story like that here too!!! and its the same word by word!!!! so it makes me wonder how can something like that happen in two places in tx!! i dont know but its making me think its fake!!!!

~~>*Ruby*

I have been there, did the baby powder thing and all that jazz. I don’t think that it’s true about the bus accident but I do know that some paranormal energy was pushing us over those tracks. I also heard that the streets were named after the children of some big money guy in San Antonio. A developer, possibly.

I came to this forum because I thought it interesting but now I’m just saddened by everyone’s poor grammar. There has been such a decline in our ability to communicate. Please don’t get me wrong, I’m not speaking about everyone.

This is beside the point and I’m sure many will hate me. I do what I can.

Where is this train track in San Antonio. My husband & I are wanting to go there and try this.

I’m from New Zealand and this story has come up on TV here in the past as some kind of Urban Legend. I think at one of the sites, possibly neither of the two mentioned already but other site where the legend also exists, they believed that the gradient of the tracks and ground led the car to move. I can’t recall what they believed scientifically created the handprints.

An interesting story though and as long as nobody is getting hurt by it, why not try it out. I do believe that ghosts and such things occur as my family and friends have had paranormal experiences, but be careful there are scams out there, don’t just buy into everything.

its true my mom was a teacher atthe school during the time

If it’s true, it would have been on the news, if not the news, then in the news papers, if not the newspapers, then in a court record, police report, and or death certificates…..find the records and the evidence, and I will believe this urban legend.

It’s true. my mom has a news paper about it. and she axaly saw the tragedy happen righ before her eyes, because she was coming up that street.

i think it is true i saw a naked lady with huge titties push my car i tried to get out and grab a tittie but she was already gone u should go see for yourself

Hello
My family and I alway vited San Anotnio very chance that we get. I live in Laredo, Texas. When I was in high school. I was in HOSA, so we had
a trip to houston. So the other high that ride with us wait to go thur San Anotoio to check out the rail track. When we got there the discovery channel was there and a physic. The physic told us that she had talk to the people living around that area. That one man had lost his dog and when he found him on the track, that his dog had a human bone. I’m not sure when this happen but when we went there it was almost 10 years ago. Also that there is no document about that train crash. The physic said that the tree that’s when you are turing to the street to cross the railroad. She would see that the tree was used to hang people before.

I just wonder at the fact that at least 5 people who have commented have asked where the site is but no one, not one, has ever posted the location of the event. what does this mean?
a. no one here has actually been to the site and just wants to fit in
b. this event never happened and people just want to be a part of the story.
if some one wants to prove that they have at least been there i would like to see that person post the location and directions so all those who want to go can. what’s there to be afraid of? are you scared that people will find out it’s just a hoax?

it is all false. the baby powder is your own fingerprints and the road off of the tracks actually goes down hill not up. it is an illusion. no children were ever killed there. my uncle investigated the story. go ahead right now and put baby powder on your car. if you have touched your car in that spot within the past 2 days it will work.

Koehler said that his/her mom was a teacher at the school when the accident happened. Does that mean he/she can give an accurate telling of the story? Does his/her mom know the people who were in the accident? Have you or your mom tried to go over the tracks while the care is in neutral?

Sorry for so many questions, but I live in Chicago and I am going to be visiting Texas soon and I want to know if I should “visit” the tracks.

I have never been to the site of the railroad tracks but, I have heard many people speak of it. As of the location; all I know is that is on the North Side of San Antonio coming in from Interstate Highway 35 (within 3 miles of the Spaghetti Warehouse.

Lena - if you are going to visit Texas and will be in San Antonio, you should visit the Menger Hotel and Hotel Saint Anthony. There have been many sightings at these two hotels- I have also experienced some unexplained paranormal activity.

If you can get the Mineral Wells - try to visit The Baker Hotel. It is a beautiful 11 story hotel; built in the early 1900’s by TB Baker (who also, built the Baker in Dallas and Saint Anthony) It burned down in 1929 and was rebuilt only to be shut down again after the Market Crashed. Not only is it a historical landmark, it is also known for many paranormal sightings and activity.
I had the pleasure to experience a guided tour through the haunted halls, rooms and stairways this past February, 2005. I was able catch a glimpse of an “orb” while I was briefly seperated from the tour group. One of the guides later told me that this room was known for these sightings. I didn’t say that I seen something until after they started talking about it.
If you would like to read more about the Baker Hotel go to http://www.spiritofthebaker.com (please note I have no affiliation to this website).

Whether you do or don’t believe in ghosts, the paranormal, urban legends- The fact that you are visiting this website should account for something.

lilly i really dont care if u used to live there let these people believe wat they want to believe ok & you need to slow ya role because their com. aint none of ya bisness ok so keep ya nosy tale out of this

i have been there and i know its true we put some dirt on the back of the car and we saw little hand prints.

Hey Lena, don’t worry about what others write!!! no offense to anyone, but if you really want to go and check it out you go right ahead!!!!! my Uncle took me there and i was really spooked until i found out about the baby powder working on any fingerprints!!!! the street by the trcks also really does sloop downwards!!! but hey if you want to check it out you can!!!! all i can tell you is that i have never uncovered any suck story on any newspaper and a friend of mine who has lived near there all of her life has never heard of any such accident!!!

I have heard this story many times. I live in Austin and was told this story by my teacher who used to visit the San Antonio area frequently. I do believe this will happen to me (if I get the chance to do it) but are their pictures or a video of the car moving across the road or what? I would really like to see some proof so these n00bs who post pointless comments on here will stop typing nonsense. I hope to try it eventually if not sometime this weekend.

I actually went there once, that was 2 months ago. Me & my girlfriend went there for a short, 1 week break-away from the hectic Singapore lifestyle. I get to know of this place through the web site before, so we agreed on visiting this place out of adventure & curiosity.
We decided to try the powder & neutral gear stuff. The powder test, to our disappointment was actually caused by sweat residue left behind by our hands that dissolves the powder at the back of our rented car. We sprinkled generous amounts of powder at the back of the car just before I drive onto the tracks but still the powder managed to dissolve in a matter of seconds, leaving hand-prints of different shapes & sizes left behind by previous drivers. The unexplainable thing that happened though, was the ‘pushing’ of the car. We felt the car move forward a few metres the moment I release the brakes. We brought with us a carpenter ruler & thus we went back onto the tracks & tested the gradient of the slope, to our suprise, the gradient was considered minimal to create a ‘rolling down the hill’ possibility. What’s more, the tracks act as mini humps on the road surface so if it really was because of a gradient slope, at least the movement should be stopped by the track humps as the moving speed was slower than normal walking speed.
Its definitely worth a try to visit the tracks but the powder test is really unnecessary.

Regards to all!
Aaron

me and my dad went and it is true it felt weird and it wasnt are mind because we were on the tracks and then we werent so you kno what your wrong

I really believe that its true! I used to go when i was younger and they would push us and we WOULD see handprints, but one time when i went my cousin told me too look thru the back window the wole time and thats when i saw the pale white face i actually went in shock cause i was so scared! but that was along time ago! I recently went again and we were so exited to go cause we hadnt went in along time thats when they pushed us once we went again then again a third time thats when they acually left us RIGHT on the tracks like wanting us to DIE! when we went to the store in the light to look we saw no prints in the back but we found a whole lot in the front of our truck like if they were acually trying to stop us on the tracks and not push us over it was really SCARY!! after that experience i dont think i will EVER go again!! so please people i think these spirits are tierd and all they want is to be laid to rest so STOP going and just LEAVE THEM ALONE!!!! please!

for all you asking wher its at iam not sure but its real its not just a cover up that im not telling you its just not a easy place to remember cause when you go at night there is lots of little streets to remember an its like where there is trees all over so its like pitch black!! this is not a cover up i really just DONT remember!!!!
-Naomi

hey guys
the story i heard was a lil different i heard it was
a football team that just came from a game and the
bus had no more gas n so they got off n pushed the
bus acrossed the tracks while the train was comin n
they didnt make it in time n the train killed them. i havent
been there yet but m lookin foward to going on hollween

hello, THIS IS TRUE, i went there and put my car in neutral and got out with my digital video camera, and you can see two little figures in the video at the rear of my car pushing it. I had baby powder on the trunk and bumper and there were little handprints in the powder and i have that on video too. Im pretty sure the prints are not from me, since I washed my car clean before I took it to the tracks. Bottom line is if you dont believe, take a video camera up there with you and get out of the car and tape it. Thats what I did and I now believe.

Anthony

yeah well we went some time ago, it wasnt our first time, and well we put the car in neutral and so it moved, but we were so surprised like the first one then my brother, in true curious fashion, turned off the excursion and apparently it works like that too… so i mean what the hell? yeah so my bro. heard from some of his co-workers that the road is uneven… so there i go trying to figure it out whether it was true or not… i tried tying a rock to a string then the string to the crossroad sign but apparently the floor is leveled or something, it was my brothers suggestion, someone told him to try that…

Wow, so far I’ve heard from a lot of opinionated people. I live in Dallas and I’ve never been to this site before. But from what I’ve heard, it sounds creepy! I hear a lot of controvery concerning the whole “hand prints on the car” situation. What I think would be a good tester is if someone were to wash the back of their car REALLY well, then put baby powder on it while ur still @ home. Let it sit for about 20 minutes, then go back and look. If you see fingerprints, then you will know that the babypowder won’t work. If that’s the case, try taking a picture of the fingerprints on the back of your car from all angles. Then, when you go to the site, and you see finger prints again, take pictures of those and compare them carefully, if they look the same, it probably isn’t real, but if they look completely different, it probably is. Also try to avoid touching the back of your car a while before you go to the site. When it comes to the whole “Car simply rolling down the hill” situation, you could videotape the car going down the hill, then find out how many mph it was going. Then find another hill with that same slope and let it roll down that hill, they should be going at the same speed, but if the one @ the site is going faster, than the myth is true! Hope you guys take my advice! I personally think that anything is possible. I’m not one of those people who think that science has a complete rule over everything, but I’m also not the type of person who believes that there a ghosts and spirits everywhere. So, it could be true, it could be a simple myth. There’s no TRUE way of knowing, but I hope all of my tips can help!
~Christina

yes, i have born in sanantonio and during halloween you here this story alot.The way i have heard it was that their were kids on a bus going to school and as they were going over the tracks the bus suddenly stopped and corruption arose because a train was coming. it is said the bus driver left the kids and only saved himself but thats another story.anyway, so after the kids died they named the streets nearby in memory of the little kids.So, now when you go to the tracks and put your car in neutral the little kids help you over so you won’t get hurt like they did.there are many other stories that are about situations that have to do with this and i believe they are all true.So, anyone that is not a believer needs to come visit to SA and see for themselves

typical group hysteria and the need to believe something supernatural. why are there no videos, pics, or records? it’s all b.s., that’s why. people see and hear what they want to see and hear. the rest of us laugh out loud at you.

Well, first of all, the reported incident of a bus of children being killed by a train was in Utah (1000 miles away) in December 1938. The accident happened as a result of fog, slippery roads, and a late train . The driver had the route commited to memory, and he also knew the train schedules and knew trains didn’t travel those tracks at that time of day, so he didn’t expect the train to be coming and apparenlty didn’t hear it either. There were no visible lights of any sort or audible sounds, so he began crossing the tracks as usual.There were 38 children on the bus (on its way to Jordan High School), ranging from 12 to 18 years old, and when the bus started over the tracks, a freight train (named the Flying Ute) collided with the bus, tearing it in half and killing 25 children and the driver. The San Antonio aspect comes from a series of newspaper articles that ran for over a week in the city providing in gruesome detail the events that had taken place in Utah…NOT San Antonio. There was never any report for an accident of that nature taking place in San Antonio, which had something like that actually occured, it would have made news across the country. As for the streets in San Antonio around the supposed area, they were named after the developer’s grandchildren. I’m sure pretty much everyone has placed their hands on their trunks or on the back of their car at some time or another, and the oil from your hands that causes fingerprints stays behind for quite some time, so when you dust your car for fingerprints after its supposedly “pushed” of course you’re going to find them. And also, when you put your car in neutral, it doesn’t take much gravitational force at all for it to roll. Even the slightest hill can cause something that heavy to roll fowards when the wheels aren’t locked. Gravity is a pretty powerful thing. And also, for the stories that say the kids or whoever got out to push the bus over the tracks…who in their right mind would actually attempt to push it over the tracks if a train was coming?? Any logical person would see/hear the train and immediately get away…it’s called a survival instinct. People could honestly care less about a material object if their life is in danger. If the kids or whoever had enough time to get out and push, they’d have plenty of time to get out and run away.

It is true, I’ve been there before and man was I freaked! I live in San Benito Texas so when I was in San Antonio it was on Vacation. I didn’t believe it either until I experienced it. It was actually pretty cool..I did it like 5 times until I knew it was for reals.

I live in Brownsville Tx. and I’ve heard that story. I do believe in it even though I haven’t gone. Who will possibly invent something like that. I’m still planing to go because I don’t want to have any doubs.

How you people can get on here and lie like this is so unreal. Anyone claiming that accident ever happen is a moron. I dont care where you live or who you know or what you were told that whole story is a lie its nothing more than lore. the one thing most people dont tell you is that they have done research there and its a bunch of b/s. No bus of children were ever killed at that site period. Do your home work before you come on here and lie to people. Anyone who doubts what I say go check the local news outlets during that time and you will see for yourself.

I was directed to the supposed site of the crash by some friends, so the next night my brother and i road our bikes out there,then it dawned on me…damn!,..we forgot to bring the car..was i ever
pissed at myself , so i sat on the tracks my self, put the powder
on the seat of my pants and sure enough i felt afew hands on
my kester!,…but being the over weight slob Iam , ‘THEY’ couldnt
budge me !
Suddenly we hear the sound of a vehicle approaching and it pulled
up behind me at the tracks and there was no one in the drivers seat..
the vehicle began to push me accross the tracks and as soon as I cleared the tracks ..I turned around and it was gone..
just my friend and I !
I told my buddie,..”WOW!!.. now those are some industrius lil` ghosts
to get me accross like that!
What really got me …was the message scrawled in the gravel by little fingers next to the tracks,..it read ; LOSE SOME WEIGHT LARDBUTT!

THAT EXPERIANCE WAS REALLY …PHAT!

i was born i tx and there is no such thing of that! and all my reletives lived in tx and none of my grandpa and grandma ever told my parents!

In a way i wanna beleive this story but i really dont.Theres alot of different ways the story is told; theres the one about the kids being left there by themselves. If that story is true id beleive it because the kids were on the bus and couldn’t get off on time to get away from the train. Theres also the one where the man makes the kids push the bus; knowing how loud the trains are you’d figure the kids or the driver would have heard the bus and ran. Not even ran, they could have tooken a few steps back and would have been out of the trains way. Same with the story of the High School students, robert said they were 12-18 yrs old, if they would have gotten off the bus they could have had time to get out of the trains way. He also said there was 38 kids on the bus but the train killed 25 and the driver. Then what happened to the other 12 on the bus. The thing of putting the car on nuetral, if the the tracks are slanted then of course the cars gonna move. The powder i cant explain that, but maybe something different happened that had nothing to do with the train tracks. i wouldnt wanna go to the site because i think its a waste of time. But yet thats my opinion.

What utter rubbish. The ground probably isn’t level. The finger prints are probably from the owner of the car from when you open and close the car boot. Bet if you put power onto most cars and leave it there for a time you will see ‘what looks like finger prints’. Also do you really think it would be that easy to request the dead to push a car a distance in the first place!! Get real. If that is the case then doe anyone know of a ghost which will come round mu house and do a bit of slabbing of my front lawn, oh can they also collect my kids from school, or suggest the winning lottery numbers this Saturday etc etc etc. Tell you what should WE ALL hold hands and connect the LIVING instead! Rubbish all rubbish.

OK sweethearts. I’m not going to say that this is real and I’m not going to say that it isnt (eventhough my mom says she has been there and says it is true). But things happen whether we can explain them or not. Trying to justify of what happens out there is just useless, no one will ever find answers to mysteries like this story. I say everyone should go out and atleast try this once. I havent tried it yet, but I plan to in the near furture. I have heard stories from family and friends and they all say it is true. I just wish everyone could have respect for other peoples beliefs and try not to step on them.

hey guys i’m also from el paso, tx and everyone knows about “gravity hill”… i’ve been there a couple of times and the last time i went, i could of sworn that i heard the railroad tracks and the train moving… my friend also went and there were little tiny hand prints all over her truck…. i personally believe it’s true

i dont believe anyone unless i see it with my eyes. i need evidence

My dad works for the Union Pacific Rail Road here in San Antonio an he can vouch the this event did actually happen. Granted i have never done it but i plan to.

I live in Dallas,Tx. I’ve heard the same story but people here say it happens here too. My friends tried it before and they said it happened to them too!

This sounds pretty believable. I don’t live near the sight, but I have heard of a few of my friends trying it. They say that the car did move (it was a hummer) and there were tiny handprints on the back windshield. They can’t explain how it happened, and neither can I.

Wat a sweet kids aren’t they?

Well, if you want to know a real haunted house you should hear this story.About a few years ago me and my family lived in a house that is in meadow brook here in texas, the house number is 8010.One day when i was sleeping in my bed inside my bedroom , i heard a noise come from the hallway which my bedroom door was opened , i looked over my covers and i sall a little girl ghost walking down the hallway with a long sleeve flower shirt on with sweatpants that are purple colored.That freaked me out, i hid under neath my covers , but i had to go to the restroom but i was scared because that was the first time i ever seen a ghost plus we have been knowing about a ghost in our house but we never seen it until know for me. I got out from my bed and took my black pillow with me and covered part of my face but not all of it except for my eyes and part of my nose; i walk past my little sisters bed which she is a sleep,and i go into the hallway, i look both ways to see if i sall the girl ghost but she is nowhere to be seen. I slowly walk past my parents bedroom which is across my bedroom door.i see the bathroom door just barely opened, ‘Bang!’ , I heard my bedroom door shut closed and i felt like somebody is watching me behind my back, i run into the bathroom and just before i closed the door the ghost is right infront of the bathroom door from the hallway , she looked at me but i was so freaked out that i probably could have **** myself.I close the door and imediantly turn the lights on , i use the bathroom and when i opened the door back again i looked both ways and took my pillow and ran as fast as i could to my bedroom but before i pass my door i close it and ran to my bed then jumped in it and went to sleep.

What do you think?

I was born and raised in San Antonio and frequented the “tracks” in my teenage years, and I can assure you something unexplicable happens there. It is a fact that if you turn your engine off, and put your car in neutral, it will start rolling about 20-30ft, UP a hill about 6-8 feet high at about a 30 to 40 degree incline tops off and then it feels as if gravity takes over from there. I could never figure out how we gained enough momentum to even reach the hill top. The feeling is extremely unnerving. When you are being “pushed” it is at a very slow pace, for those of you that have ever had a stalled car and someone push you, it’s the EXACT same feeling….except there is no one there.

I’m not sure how anyone could believe this. I *might* be able to understand a bus driver abandoning a bus full of kids, but that’s not likely. Generally, school bus drivers are responsible people who care alot about the kids they transport. But the version that says the driver made the kids push the bus is absolutely ridiculous. First and Second graders probably wouldn’t even be able to reach the bumper of the bus. Does anyone remember Bus Evacuation days, and how we had to have people help us make that big jump? Secondly, little kids aren’t stupid. If a train was coming, they would have run away, regardless of what the driver told them. They would be scared. The only way I can see one getting hit is if they were frozen there with fear. But that isn’t very likely either. And highschool kids? Come on, you can’t get a highschooler to clean their room, let alone loyally try to push a bus while a freaking train is coming.

I think Robert hit the nail right on the head. But I did love Thunderhead’s story.

i have heard many stories of the assumed bus/train accident. but like previous people have stated ” how could children push a bus ” and besides why would a bus driver tell them to. there may never be any proof or truth of such an event ever taking place. i can say as of the doubt of the slope of the crossing, take a string and a stringline level or a laser level and check the grade of the crossing and you will find out exactly whether the slope is down hill or up hill. if it is proven to be a downhill slope then it doesn’t take much to make a car move. for the powder. as others have stated, if there is any trace of body oil it will leave a print when you put powder on the car.

i am in el paso texas no one has said were this streets are can anyone or anything tell me the cross streets so i can see it for my self

hey man this is true i been there!!!!

Bonnie on 10/18/05 said she’d seen the Discovery Channel at the site with a psychic, and I can vouch for that…I saw the show on TV. They also had a surveyor there that confirmed that the road actually does go uphill. The cameras documented everything, from the surveyor taking readings and measurements, the baby powder being put on the back bumper, the car going UPHILL over the tracks, and the many many hand prints on the bumper after the car stopped. The car wasn’t even running at the time of the experiment, it was turned off and in neutral.

They also interviewed a woman who’s daughter died in the accident; she not only confirmed that the accident happened but also that many of the streets in the area were named for children who had died. I believe the timeframe we’re looking at here was the late ’60’s or early ’70’s.

Hey I dont know if its true or what but Im going to find out. Any one want to go!

I had a friend that went to the University of Sanantonio, one night her and a couple of friends went out to those railroad tracks, covered the car in baby powder, and stuck the car in nutral. She said a couple of seconds later the car just started rolling on its own. Later they got out to find little hand prints all over the back end. They have pictures to prove it. She was freaked out. To top it off as they were leaving they went through a near by neighborhood as a short-cut only to find that every street was named after one of the kids that died on that school bus. CRAZY HUH!

I dont kno if this story is true for san antonio but it is tru liek someone said earlier in Utah, i wish i culd find some proof and articles bout this, u wuld think there wuld be news papers articles about it ya know?? im not knockin it, id like to go there, and the down hill up hill thing all depends on whcih direction u are travleing im sure.. if u go one way ur goin down but go the opposite direction and ur goin up yakno?

yeah I have been there before. and it is pretty cool. well I dont know exactly what it is that pushes you over the tracks but see I believed the same thing of oh well its on a hill blah blah…but the thing is you dont know what Im talking about unless you have been there. we cleaned the back of the car and put baby powder right before we put it in neutral, then we did the whole waiting and it did it. and we did see small little hand prints. ALOT of small hand prints. thats what freaked me out. the thing is when you are going over the tracks it kind of steeps up before you reach the tracks. so we would stop the car right at the steep so we would have rolled backwards away from the tracks if this whole hill theory were correct. but something pushed us over because it did NOT roll backwards. it continued to roll the car forward and over the tracks. as I remember it, this location is over off the 410 loop on the southeastern side of San Antonio. its right there. but anyways yeah weird stuff. Im looking for some creep stuff in Dallas but haven’t found too much on anything. anyways doesnt really matter who believes what because you will always have those who do not believe until it happens to you. and it has happened to me. amongst other paranormal things I have seen at other haunted places. but anyways laters!

Mike

I Believe that it is true my ex. boyfriend, cousin, and I went to the tracks because my cousin didn’t believe it happened so we went there to prove it to her. He turned the car completely off and the car started to move all by itself without being on. That really scared me and her both so yes I believe it is true.

Last year in English class we read this book called Rescue which told exactly the same story Robert told except it said the bus driver was a sub who was young, inexpierienced, and did not do the whole railroad crossing thing properly. Since it was HS kids who were on the bus it was early in the morning and still pretty dark. Anyway the back end of the bus was not all the way on the tracks so most of the kids in the back didn’t get hurt as bad which explains why 12 out of 38 survived. Anyway two registered nurses were at a cafe that was pretty close to the tracks eating breakfast before going to work. After hearing the accident they ran out the door and saw what had happened. Then they got right to work trying to save some of the kids that had been thrown out of the bus. They were able to save a few because of their fast work and medical training. ( Hence the title “Rescue” ) Also, just because 12 kids lived doesn’t mean they walked away from it. They all were hospitilized for days and suffered from multiple broken bones, serious concussions, some were in comas, lots had to have multiple surgeries,etc. It is a very sad story and I pray for everyone that was one that bus that day and their families.

Okay, I have family in Texas, Alabama, California, etc. etc. blah. blah. and not to bust your preverbial bubble but this is not real. There are places like that in every state, for example. In Alabama there is a place called gravity hill where the exact same thing occurs. (put your car/truck in neutral and it rolls up hill by itself and stops in a down hill slope) I don’t know the technical stuff but I do know that it’s not just a thing that is in Texas. It’s world wide, there is a science behind it involving gravity and all that great stuff.

u americans neva cease to amaze me!!!! funny funny pple!!!! anyway story doesnt sounds scary…I’ve heard betta

you Americans never cease to amaze me!!! funny funny people!!! anyway I’ve heard scarier than this BUS story.

Where are you from rhiann? I’d like to try it out myself.

Total and utter ****

I’m sorry but no bus driver in the world is going to ask children to push a bus across train tracks

you have to be really ignorant to believe that there is no such thing as ghosts! you can say that it is a illusion ,but how can you explain the fingerprints? maybe we should betta ask rhiann.

it’s all gravity people! the bus crash never happened.

WELL FOR ALL YOU NONE BELIEVERS IT IS TRUE THAT REALLY DID HAPPEN FOR YOU GUYS WHO SAY IT DIDNT IF YOU DO YOUR RESERCH RIGHT YOU WILL FIND IT THERE. IF YOU GO TO THE PLACE THE STREETS THAT ARE RIGHT BESIDE IT ARE ALL THE NAMES OF THE CHILDREN WHO DIED.IM FROM SAN ANTONIO BORN AND RAISED AND THE REAL STORY IS THAT THE KIDS WERE COMING FROM A BASEBALL GAME THAT DAY THE BASEBALL FIELD THAT IS RIGHT BESIDE THE TRACKS AS WELL.THE BUS BROKE DOWN THE KIDS STAYED INSIDE AND THE TRAIN TOOK THEM. THATS WHY THE HELP PEOPLE BY PUSHING THEM OVER. I WENT SVERAL TIMES AND ALL TIMES IT HAPPEND. THERE WAS A LADY WHO CAME FROM WASHINGTON ONE OF THE NIGHTS I WENT AND SHE HAD A CAMERA WITH HER WHILE HER FRIEND WAS IN THE CAR SHE TOOK THE PICTURE. SHE SHOWED IT TO US AND ALL YOU CAN SEE IS THE CAR AND IN BACK OF IT A BRIGHT LIGHT SO ALL I CAN SAY IS THAT I BELIEVE

I DON’T KNOW WHAT TO TELL YOU NON-BELIEVERS, EXCEPT IT’S ENTIRLY TRUE WHAT HAPPENS AT THESE TRACKS IN SAN ANTONIO. I MYSELF HAVE BEEN THERE AND EXPIRENCED IT WITH A GROUP OF FAMILY MEMBERS. WE WENT THERE IN TWO SEPARATE CARS AND THERE IS NO OTHER WAY TO EXPLAIN HOW YOUR CAR CAN MOVE (ALL BY IT’S SELF) WHILE IN NEUTRAL, UP A SMALL HILL AND OVER THE TRACKS, A TOTAL DISTANCE OF ABOUT 20 TO 25 FEET. IT IS AN EXPIRENCE I THINK ALL YOU NON-BELIEVERS WILL ENJOY.

That sounds like a bunch of poo-poo man

poor 100% “grade A” bullcrap man

POO-POO!!!

the fingerprints like a isad in my huant it works i have tried it here and i know what happens and these kids were ran over to

the only thing moving that car is gravity you dumbshits your
just to high up on the ground and its pulling your car that way

tyler, i think your right i aggree and really thats all it is

u pepole are dumb for beliveing scary storeis hahahahahaha losersssssssssssssssssss

I saw this on a rerun of “Unsolved Mysteries” about 2 weeks ago…they indicated that the story was true and well documented. It is also in several books about “ghost stories” and Texas…you can find the books at Barnes and Noble. I have heard this story many times…apparently this one is true.

Oh my GOD Forgive Them for this stupidity!

I have read every one of these entries and all I can say is that I too have been there. It was about 3 years ago or so. Yes the car does move. I did it three times. The first time it stoped on the tracks, the second it stoped on the tracks and the third it went over. Now after leaving the tracks I want to the San Antonio Public Library and found NOTHING about it. The only thing found was about the one in Utah. I couldn’t do the powder thing, I had a white car. I cant remember where exactly it was at. I wish I could I would go back. It’s interesting. I think it is nothing but a gravity pull. But, the only weird thing that happened while I was at the tracks, my daughter was only 2 at the time and she was wide awake when we started the whole thing. The next thing I know she is out like a light.She woke up as soon as we started to leave the site. so if anyone can tell me where the tracks are at I would like to go again.

For anyone wanting to go I have done some research again and the tracks are located at the cornor of Villamain Road and Shane Road. Go to mapquest.com and you can find the directions. Also you can go to http://www.snopes.com/horrors/ghosts/hndprint.asp and read about the real accident in Salt Lake City Utah and how it came to be told in San Antonio. I am not trying to tell anyone what to beleive. It’s a personal belief to everyone. But the actual accident is on that web site listed above and the tracks in San Antonio are listed above. Have fun. Something does move your car but I have my own beliefs on what it is.

Uhm..All i have to say is that this story is true!I’ve
done this many times before it was scary!

one time me and some friends went out there we saw all the kids that had gotten killed there and i talked to the ghosts and they told me that actually they hadnt died in a crash but back in the thirties there was a real bad batch of heroin that was going around and one of the kids had scored some they all took a pretty lethal dose o uncut heroin and they all died within the hour but they asked me to finally tell the truth about the story so they could rest in peace……….

It is a true story, I went with my boyfriend, yes were gay. We video taped the sightings, it is just incredible. I will release the tape soon……

Another thing is that we were just two guys in Love sitting next to the railroad tracks with a camera, and the radio off, you can actually feel the breeze when you put you window off. I recommend any non-believers to go for themselves to witness this for yourself.

DJ RN who do you think you are? seriously you think someone is scared of you, pinche wey pendejo, me lu chupas wey y tu madre tambien. Te gusta el pepino?

I lived in San Antonio Texas for 5 years and know one of the children’s reletives who took me to the sight of the accident and we put it in neutral but nothing happend we just sat there so i really think this story is a fraud.

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wuz up then jeremiah hoe a*s bi*ch. Bi*ch think u got balls pinche hoto when u wanna box up, ***** anywhere u want meet up h*e is on bi*ch.Get yo a*s kick over some bi*ch a*s sh*t like this keep talking that s*it bi*ch u and yo gay a*s ****** a*s boyfriend.

wuz up then jeremiah hoe a*s bi*ch. Bi*ch think u got balls pinche hoto when u wanna box up, b*tch anywhere u want meet up h*e is on bi*ch.Get yo a*s kick over some bi*ch a*s sh*t like this keep talking that s*it bi*ch u and yo gay a*s fa*got a*s boyfriend.

P.S u and yo boyfriend can s*ck each other d*cks

I HAVE BEEN THEIR IT IS REALLY FREAKY. I CANT WAIT TO GO BACK.

i have heard that this was a true story on the discovery channel and it is a rather intersting thing to watch i plan to see if it is true during spring break cuz i love san antonio.

oh my god!!!!!! dj rn from dallas tx u are like a faggg!! if any1 agrees with me say I plzz!

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omg we pranked all of yall!!!! every time some1 does that we push there car over!! next time some1 bring a rubber and ill have cex with ya!!!!!!!!just hop out of the car and ill be there!!

P.S. bring more than 1!!!

i have heard of the story but i really havent gone there myself but my friend told me that it is true she showed me pictures and video camera but all i know that if i would have been there i proboly be so scared ill pee!!!!!!!!!!!1

wow!!! thats pretty freaky!!! i wanna go do that someday. if any1 here has been 2 huntsville, tx plz e-mail me at surfer-09@hotmail.com

I saw this story on TV. I believe it was on Haunted HIstory. I do feel sorry for these kids that were on the bus.

yah im sorry i dont think its true. but this story isnt real that i have written its not completed but tell me if you like it so far pleeeeeezzzzzz!

Rene was a woman whom can see ghosts. But only the spirits whom had stayed behind because they either thought that they were still alive or unfinished business with what had been once where they died or un happy –ness. Meanwhile she was helping Lorie sell antique’s in her house. While she was chatting about the job of Lories, mysteriously the door opens of lories dead twelve year old son denials room. It opens and toys started to move around. Lena took slow steps towards the train. Lorie yelled for her to step out of the room. You shouldn’t be in there your terribly rude and nosy. Is this your sons room René said in a scared low voice? Yes and you shouldn’t be in here. Here step aside. (Lorie shuts the door) personally while I’m working in this business I cant keep an eye on you or the photographers for the antiques I have to trust you alright? I said alright!? Yes loud and clear lorie im really sorry I, I saw the door opened and I was coming to shut it and…. Theres no ands or buts! Or whys! Is that clear lene… is it clear!? Yes ma’am. You no I cant….. You…… shouldn’t… I shouldn’t what lorie? Oh im…. Im…… im….. Im sorry, you know for going off on you like that. Its just that I cant stand to see that room. But you should really should stay away from this room! (whaa whaa whaaaaa) Fergie can you get that the babys crying again! Yes madam. (ring ring ring) hold on one sec. (creek, ha ha ha) what the? (slam) lene are you alright? Umm yes fergie im fine. Umm not really I have a question. Okay but why ask me? Well why is lorie so ashamed of this room. Oh its really nothing. Its just memories. Oh boy jess made a poopie, (giggle) ill be right back ok dear, ya. { whispers} oh my gosh, theres something messed up Im going to have to do some research. Ok im back, lene are you okay? Yah just a lil shivery. Oh my sorry I took so long I have a great deal with an antique so it for 1.4 grand. Can you believe it. Wow that’s great lorie. (wha wha wha) isn’t she the most beautiful baby you ever seen? Yes she quite is. { home shopping channel photographers} hey explain this piece of art. This antique is from classical times: derived from a period of ancient history, especially ancient Greece or Rome, or stylistically typical of such a period. a collectible decorative or household object, often a piece of furniture, which is valued because of its age. Thanks lorie. Okay that bout covers it. Now you can go home. Thanks. Yah sure any time.

Chapter 2
Next day back at the house.

(knock knock) hello any one home. (door opened) the heck. You shall not protect her (12 year old boy speaks in a scary voice) how did you see me in my room you starred right at me. Who are you young boy? (boy disappears) oh hello lene, hey fergie. Ehat are you doing here so late? Well I have a question. Ask way. Who is dan? Who? Dan? from the door. Oh hes lories son. Son what son? Her dead son. Maybe you should go!

To be continued.

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I was watching a show on Sci Fi, it was tthe first time I heard the story. It was a show talking about myths that are true or false. the had a woman do the test and her car begin to move across and they also saw prints on the back bumper

i live in brownsville tx and my grandfather had went there and tried it and sad he saw the fingers of little kids the hand prints were only about 3-5 in”
creepy i know

Although i do believe in the spirit world i did some resurch of my own.The train wreck in question did happen..December 1 1938 @ 8:43 am a school bus headed for Jordan High School was hit by a Denver andd Rio Grande Western Railroad it killed 23 students and the bus driver the one thing is that the crash happend 1,100 milles from San Antonio in Midvale Utah…Heres the rest of the story.. LATEST REPORT.

The San Antonio Ghost Children

Digest Number 59

Exploring the facts behind an urban legend.

By Virginia and Daniel Barnett

San Antonio, which sits on the Salado River some 275 miles south of the Dallas/Fort Worth area, is home to an unusual ghost story that caught our attention a few months ago, especially when a film crew invited representatives of the North Texas Skeptics to participate in a documentary to be broadcast on The Discovery Channel in the not-too-distant future.
The North Texas Skeptics are apparently the only active skeptics’ organization in Texas today that we’re aware of, so it was only fitting that one of us ? in this case, Ginny Barnett ? lend some skeptical observations to the film project. Thus, Ginny and Danny made the six-hour trip down Interstate 35 to visit the film crew and the site of the alleged haunting.

Unfortunately, as many of you are now aware, Ginny developed a life-threatening illness down in San Antonio just hours before she was scheduled to appear in front of the camera, so Danny received permission from Ginny to take her place, as well as all of her research notes.

And where did Danny travel to find these ghosts on a sweltering Sunday afternoon in San Antonio? Not to the historic Alamo, where many Mexican soldiers and Texan defenders lost their lives in battle - prime real estate for the restless undead. Not to the nearby Hotel Menger, a lavish landmark believed to be inhabited by its own spectres, including that of the founder of King Ranch. No, Danny instead found himself chasing ghosts at an isolated railroad crossing out in the middle of nowhere with only a 32-oz. cola to help make the 100-degree heat more bearable. And he was far from alone, thanks to the legend of the San Antonio Ghost Children that has drawn historians, paranormal investigators, and the just plain curious from all over to this unassuming locale.

From Legend to Tourist Attraction

According to the legend, sometime in the 1930s or 1940s a San Antonio schoolbus loaded with children stalled on the old Southern Pacific railroad tracks at the bend in the road where Villamain Street turns into Shane Road, not far from the nearby Mission San Francisco de la Espada. A passing train plowed into the bus before anyone had a chance to evacuate; the bus driver and all of the children were killed in the tragic collision. To commemorate the young victims, the city of San Antonio named the streets of a nearby neighborhood after the deceased schoolchildren.

Reports of strange phenomena at the railroad crossing began to surface some time afterwards, with the first such accounts dating back to at least the 1970s. If a car stalls on westbound Shane Road 80-100 feet from the tracks, or if someone just stops their car at that same point and puts the car in neutral, an unseen force will push that car down the road, over the railroad tracks, and safely out of the path of any oncoming train. Dust the car with talcum powder, and mysterious fingerprints show up on the back of the car. Why, this must be the work of those poor schoolchildren killed so many years ago, forever pushing automobiles over the railroad tracks to prevent motorists from sharing their fate!

But wait, there’s more. Doubters were told that westbound Shane Road is actually an upward grade, which meant that the cars weren’t simply rolling downhill and over the tracks; the ghost children had to be pushing the cars uphill to clear the railroad crossing. Some who have visited the site also claim that the cries of these children can even be heard on occasion.

When Danny drove out to the site to rendezvous with a film crew from Actuality Productions in connection with the Discovery Channel project, he also found a steady stream of people driving up in their automobiles to experience the phenomena themselves. Sports cars, hatchbacks, SUVs, and even the occasional heavy truck attempted the experiment, positioning themselves at an appropriate spot on Shane that someone had marked on the pavement with fluorescent red paint. With only a couple of exceptions, all of them cleared the tracks ? traveling uphill, mind you ? and rolled onto Villamain. Even Danny’s car cleared the tracks in 3 out of 4 attempts.

Many of the drivers came prepared with bottles of baby powder to sprinkle on their trunks and rear bumpers. Unexplained fingerprints started popping up on the car almost as soon as the talcum hit. This understandably caused a lot of excitement with some folks. Various people came up to Danny swearing that this whole ghost thing had to be true; how much more proof did the skeptics need?

Ghost Story or Fish Story?

When Ginny researched the story of the “Haunted Railroad Crossing,” as the legend is sometimes known, she found a few problems with the original story. For starters, nobody could pin an exact date on the accident from which the story sprang. To complicate matters, not a single newspaper in Texas has ever documented any such accident taking place in San Antonio, not even The San Antonio Express-News. But Ginny didn’t let up; after some diligent research and a few phone calls, she finally got what she was looking for.

The accident occurred on December 1, 1938. At 8:43 a.m., a school bus loaded with students was heading for Jordan High School. Visibility was severely compromised by a snowstorm and heavy fog when the bus crossed the railroad tracks. The Flying Ute, a freight locomotive belonging to the Denver & Rio Grande Western Railroad, plowed into the bus, killing 23 Jordan students as well as the bus driver. It was the worst motor vehicle accident in American history at that time.

There was just one little detail that somehow got overlooked. The accident took place in the small town of Midvale, Utah, which sits just south of Salt Lake City ? some 1,100 miles northwest of San Antonio.

So how did this tragic event develop into a San Antonio ghost legend? Owing to its very nature, the story quickly spread across the nation, appearing in newspapers everywhere from The New York Times to The San Antonio Express-News. The latter paper, for whatever reason, ran the story for about 10 days, including gruesome details of the accident. The local media saturation may have resulted in San Antonio residents telling their children that the wreck happened locally, completely forgetting about the Salt Lake City dateline. As for the streets near the railroad tracks allegedly named after the young victims, they were instead named by the subdivision developer after his grandchildren.

Now all we had to do was figure out why those cars were rolling uphill over the railroad tracks. And where were those fingerprints coming from?

Running “Up” That Hill

Jonathan Levitt of Actuality Productions spent a lot of time with some local surveyors who took careful measurements of the grade of Shane Road as it approached the tracks. While Danny didn’t record their exact readings, the surveyors did report something fascinating about that uphill grade that the ghost children push cars over ? turns out it isn’t uphill after all, but rather downhill for most of the stretch. It certainly looks uphill to many people approaching the tracks, but stand on the shoulder of the road next to the tracks and you may detect a slight downward slope. It’s all a perfectly natural but nevertheless convincing optical illusion.

Alamo City Paranormal, a local organization that conducts its own paranormal investigations, also had the road surveyed a while back. According to their findings as reported by Katie Phillips of the Lone Star Spirits Web site, if someone starts 80 feet away from the tracks and moves westward toward the tracks, the road slopes downhill about 12 inches in a span of 65 feet. The road levels off for 5-7 feet and then rises 6 inches over the remaining 8-10 feet.

The point is that if you set your car in neutral gear 80 feet away from the tracks, the car will slowly roll downhill for 65 feet, gaining enough momentum to carry that car over the small uphill slope and the railroad tracks until it’s dumped onto northbound Villamain. It’s an explanation that doesn’t involve poltergeists ? only a little basic physics.

As for the fingerprints showing up on people’s cars, many people wash their cars to remove dirt and older fingerprints before they drive over the tracks in order to avoid picking up their own prints. Their cars are definitely clean - but only up to a certain point. Just as traces of blood can be discovered with Luminol on floors and carpets despite careful cleaning, fingerprints demonstrate a similar resiliency due to the oils secreted by fingers that cause the prints (ask any criminal investigator). These oils are surprisingly durable and resistant, and can remain on most car surfaces, including chrome, for weeks or even years despite various rainstorms and trips to the car wash. This is yet another reason why museum curators become displeased if anyone touches the exhibits. Your best bet would be to wash the car with a degreaser rather than traditional car washing compounds and then see if any fingerprints show up after the car clears the tracks.

And the occasional screams heard at the site? There’s a peacock farm on Shane Road not too far away from the tracks. Suffice it to say that not all birds go “tweet-tweet.”

While the story of the San Antonio Ghost Children is indeed fascinating, our investigation seems to cast doubt on any poltergeist activity at the railroad tracks, providing scientific explanations for many of the phenomena observed at the site. Ours is by no means the last word on this subject, as some folks also claim to have captured ghosts on photographs and videotape at the crossing. We’ll leave such images for another time, though, especially considering that if any haunting resulted from the bus crash, it seems more reasonable to expect the ghosts to appear in a small Utah town instead of in San Antonio.

Special thanks to Scott Goldie, Jonathan Levitt, and the rest of the crew from Actuality Productions as well as Jim Lindsey of Jim Lindsey Productions. Watch for the North Texas Skeptics on the Actuality Productions program Miracle Hunters, to be broadcast on the Discovery Channel either later this year or in early 2004.

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SAN ANTONIO
– This is one San Antonio ghost story that refuses to die.

Many people have heard the story of the “ghost tracks,” reported on by the San Antonio Express-News. The legend holds that sometime in the 1930s (or maybe 1940s or 1950s, depending on who is telling the story), a school bus stalled as it crossed over a set of railroad tracks on the South Side. A train crashed into the bus, killing the children and the driver.

Some people say the ghosts of the children remain to push other stalled vehicles across the tracks and avoid another tragedy. Others say talcum powder sprinkled on the trunks of their cars will reveal children’s handprints on the trunk.

Some say the streets, with names like Cindy Sue and Laura Lee, are named in honor of the dead children.

Others say, at night, you can hear the cries of the children.

Docia Williams, who has written two books about local ghost stories, says it’s a bunch of hooey.

“The more I wrote it, the more doubtful I got about the whole thing,” Williams said.

One thing that’s certain, said Margaret Madrid, who has lived on Laura Lee Road for the last 15 years, is that hordes of people will pay a visit to the tracks this week as part of their Halloween fun. The tracks are located where Villamain Road turns into Shane Road and intersects with the Southern Pacific Railroad near Mission Espada.

Madrid, 60, said she used to go out to the site and do the same thing when she was in high school.

“We used to come out here also for that,” Madrid said.

The situation is always the same. A car full of teens will drive onto the tracks, put their car in neutral and wait to be “pushed” to safety by the children. Then, they’ll pull off to the side of the road and sprinkle some kind of powder on the trunk of the car to look for tiny fingerprints.

Madrid has seen it over and over at all times of the day and at all times of the year. But the traffic peaks close to Halloween, so much so that curious ghost hunters have to wait in line.

“We see kids there all the time,” Madrid said. “We see girls out by themselves there, looking.”

Madrid said the real concern is for the visitors to the area. Lighting is bad, and the condition of the roads has deteriorated over the years.

“I keep fussing with (railroad and city officials), and it needs to be fixed up,” Madrid said.

But is the legend true?

In a word, “no,” according to Williams.

In researching her books, Williams sifted through decades of newspaper clippings. She interviewed current and former railroad employees. For everyone who said they had heard of the legend, she pressed for details.

And each time, nobody could offer proof the collision ever happened.

The street names offer no proof because Tom McCreless, brother of Gordon Sealie McCreless, who built the McCreless Mall, developed the subdivision. Tom McCreless named the streets after his grandchildren.

“So much for that story,” Williams said.

But what about testimony from people who say their cars really are pushed over the tracks?

Williams said she believes that’s just gravity acting on an oddly sloped roadway.

But what about the fingerprints on the backs of people’s cars?

“My husband was in the Department of Public Safety for 37 years,” Williams said. “He says those fingerprints can be around a long time.”

Twentieth century history also helps to debunk the legend.

Jo Myler, manager of the Texana /Genealogy Room at the San Antonio Public Library, said the accident could not have taken place during the 1930s, because school buses were not state-mandated until 1948. That means the streets were named years before school districts had to provide transportation.

And if the crash occurred sometime in the 1950s, “I think I would probably remember something like that,” Madrid said.

So if the legend is not true, how did it ever get started? Williams said teen-age boys probably made up the stories to scare their girlfriends.

“I think that’s exactly what’s happened,” Williams said.

But what about the cries of the children?

“Another story says that on late afternoons, when it’s misty and cold and damp, you can hear moans and cries of those poor little spirits,” Williams said. “If you listen close, you can hear it’s coming from the peacock farm right up the road. They can really squawk.”
Sorry guys not this one…..

hey i do belive in ya i have been there and we stoped and i noticed we were going up hill and i was told that a bus stoped and it couldnt go and the train crashed and the streets are now named after the kids. and if you dont belive in it you should go there yourself.and then hopefully you belive in it. thanx

THIS STORY IS PRETTY FREAKY AND I WOULD LOVE TO JUST GO THERE TO SEE IF IT IS TRUE.

I dont think this is true.

I just wonder at the fact that at least 5 people who have commented have asked where the site is but no one, not one, has ever posted the location of the event. what does this mean?
a. no one here has actually been to the site and just wants to fit in
b. this event never happened and people just want to be a part of the story.
if some one wants to prove that they have at least been there i would like to see that person post the location and directions so all those who want to go can. what’s there to be afraid of? are you scared that people will find out it’s just a hoax?

Comment by tomy | 10.19.2005 | 4:46 pm
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i just wanted to comment that this location is near the missions on the south side.. past millitary.. just to let you all know that dont..
take care and check it out..

i think that it did really happen.All the people that are saying that it didn’t happen are dumb.The guy that said that their your own fingerprints doesn’t know what hes talking about.Apperently he thinks that he knows everything.I have actually experinced that, and i had bearly cleaned the bumper, and im pretty sure that nobody touched it.

WHILE I WAS IN THE MILITARY, MYSELF AND SOME FRIENDS WOULD GO THERE AS OFTEN AS POSSIBLE. IT’S REAL. YOU HAVE TO ROLL UPHILL TO GET OVER THE TRACKS, AND THE HANDPRINTS ARE TOO SMALL TO BE YOURS OR ANY OTHER ADULTS. IT ALWAYS WORKS, NO MATTER WHAT SIZE YOUR VEHICLE IS, AND IT’S TRUE ABOUT THE NEARBY STREETSIGNS BEARING THE NAMES OF THE DEAD KIDS. I SUGGEST GOING TO THESE TRACKS IF YOU GET THE CHANCE, YOU WON’T BE DISAPPOINTED…

ITS TRUE I’VE BEEN THERE. ABOUT THE SAME STORIES IN EVERY STATE IS ALSO TRUE. BECASUE IN UTAH HAPPENED THE SAME THING BUT IT WAS A LITTLE DIFFERENT. DID YOU KNOW THAT IN EVERY STATE THERE IS A SAME FREAKY STORY. PEOPLE WHO DON’T BELIEVE THIS SHOULD SEE IT WITH THEIR OWN EYES.

Most likely the same type of “natural”, not supernatural occurance that we experience over here in PA, in Bedford County. Gravity Hill. A place where you go to, stop your car, put it in neutral, wait a while, and then the car starts to roll, …uphill. I should start a rumor that a giant Rubber Band died at that spot back in the twenty’s, and to this day, it still pulls you back uphill. And then, Ill look for the closest street name, and say that was the Rubber Bands name. Anywho, heres the URL for Gravity Hill, a Google search will produce a lot more. http://www.bedfordcounty.net/gravityhill/index.htm